Slicefixer Club Shut face drill..?

In no way am I underminding his teachings, I follow his teaching to the best that I could understand..I've been working on the shut face drill and hit it the same as I do with a regular swing..Maybe alittle bit more penetrating flight and really hard to balloon shot with this swing.
What my question is,what are the negatives for this swing/shut face swing?? For me basically the backswing is easier whereas I really just turn with core/shoulders, without ANY manipulation with hands and arms (no forearm rotation to open the face) and explode left...I've been practicing his teachings for awhile now and everything is pretty much on autopilot except for the forearm rotation which I still have to think about it to execute it..No biggie, I just do it as a part of my routine like Mike Weir does before each swing..
Anyways, Just wondering the negatives..
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I would say the negatives of this swing if you were to use it on the course would be a slightly lower ball flight and feeling like you have to "hold on" or else you will hook it. Zach Johnson is a good example of someone that plays most of his golf with a shut-face. The drill is great because it teaches you how to rotate hard through the ball. Once you have that down, then you can add forearm rotation. IMO you don't get the same contact (snap at the bottom)with a shut face at the top as apposed to a square face. I like Zach's swing but effortless would not be a good word to desribe it, if you know what I mean. It's all about what works for you under pressure. If you feel like holding on with a shut face and turning aggresively through works better then do it. I think more people would benefit from a square face at the top because not everyone can turn through like zach
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In no way am I underminding his teachings, I follow his teaching to the best that I could understand..I've been working on the shut face drill and hit it the same as I do with a regular swing..Maybe alittle bit more penetrating flight and really hard to balloon shot with this swing.
What my question is,what are the negatives for this swing/shut face swing?? For me basically the backswing is easier whereas I really just turn with core/shoulders, without ANY manipulation with hands and arms (no forearm rotation to open the face) and explode left...I've been practicing his teachings for awhile now and everything is pretty much on autopilot except for the forearm rotation which I still have to think about it to execute it..No biggie, I just do it as a part of my routine like Mike Weir does before each swing..
Anyways, Just wondering the negatives..
I was talking about this with one of my friends that I was golfing with today.
In very basic terms, *usually* the downswing is a reaction to the backswing, IMO.
So, if there's a flaw in your backswing, chances are you will make a reaction to that flaw on the downswing.
Thus, in this situation where the clubface is closed going back, you're likely to try and open the face on the downswing. Thus, you may set yourself up for vertically hinging the left wrist at impact and have to 'hold on' with the clubface to get that face to open up to square at impact.
If you don't 'hold on', the clubface closes and you're likely to hit a pull hook. If you overdo 'holding on', the face opens and you can hit that push slice. Then if you time it correctly, you're likely still adding more loft to the club which can cause a good straight shot, but one with a very high trajectory.
You can play with a closed clubface in the backswing, you just need to have the proper wrist action to hit the ball properly.
Since you're hitting it really well doing this drill, I don't think you have a problem with the wrist action required for using a closed clubface. But those are some of the issues that can arise playing with a closed clubface on the backswing.
3JACK
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Thanks guys, I can visualize what you guys are writing and now understand..Just been working on this drill to speed up my rotation/transition..What I do like about this swing, as Richie3Jack wrote about the wrist, I like how that feels in the backswing where my right wrist is really cocked, also to get to that point in the backswing is much more fluid and powerful feeling as I just wind up and finally I just hold on to those angles and really try to bust it hard left..But now I can see the pitfalls to this type of swing...Thanks again..
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It's just a drill, not a swing.....and it should be part of a routine, including the reg. 9-3 and the open face drill......not just done alone. This drill is supposed to keep you from flipping...the open face drill really helps your rotation.
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The problem with a lot of golfers is that they have a poor pivot and that forces them to flip their wrists thru impact. Too many people get bogged down on flipping being due to 'uneducated wrists' when it's usually more of a case of a poor pivot. If your pivot sucks, chances are the only way to keep a flat left wrist means that you're chickenwinging the left arm.
That's very hard to do, even if you actively try to chickenwing it. So what happens with golfers with poor pivots is they inevitably flip thru impact. Then they go to a golf instructor who may give them some band aid or may tell them they need to keep a flat left wrist at impact all the while they are neglecting the root of the problem, an ineffective pivot.
That's what the shut face drill attempts to do. Get the golfer to improve their pivot so it will allow them to naturally get that flat left wrist at and thru impact.
My guess is that in your swing, you probably shut the face at address and then square it up naturally at some point of the backswing and now you're properly pivoting the body on the downswing.
3JACK
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I would say the negatives of this swing if you were to use it on the course would be a slightly lower ball flight and feeling like you have to "hold on" or else you will hook it. Zach Johnson is a good example of someone that plays most of his golf with a shut-face. The drill is great because it teaches you how to rotate hard through the ball. Once you have that down, then you can add forearm rotation. IMO you don't get the same contact (snap at the bottom)with a shut face at the top as apposed to a square face. I like Zach's swing but effortless would not be a good word to desribe it, if you know what I mean. It's all about what works for you under pressure. If you feel like holding on with a shut face and turning aggresively through works better then do it. I think more people would benefit from a square face at the top because not everyone can turn through like zach
My experience has been the complete opposite. If you "hold on" you will hook it, and not just a little. This drill can really only be used with the setup that slice advocates, and it will _make you_ rotate through the ball. Any swing that kind of "stalls and throws" will hook like a nightmare on you.
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hey YL Ive recently improved leaps and bounds ball striking wise doing the rotary swing. at first i was hitting it well and i coudlnt get the forearm rotation to work for me hitting it well but not brilliant. low flight some hooks not really penetrating, lots of roll on landing.
i was just saying forget that bit ill just get to 8 o'clock **** my wrists, the ball flight was much higher and it was stopping on landing.
Then i was told i would lose a lot of my coil and i wouldnt be on plane doing it that way, which i understood. then DWF1500 told me it was simply because on the takeaway i was comming inside and then rotating would make me ridculously Flat.
And that i need to get the club outside my hands at the 8 o'clock postion, i did that rotated the forearm, voila on perfect plane great ball flight great spin.
this swing is all about the back swing, and for me more importantly the takeaway. if you get the takeaway to 8 right you can pivot correctly you will be ion the right plane you will have the correct coil, then after thats its just releasing it.